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I would like vlad's idea to come into play. Does 1.6 change biomes or anything around? Will you be able to find horses? — green kitten 2013/04/26 20:13

I think that the new update would be a pretty good time for the map change. Since it wouldn't be immediate (we need a stable client which takes time) it would give people plenty of time to finish their projects. — caBastard 2013/04/26 20:29

Well, I guess 38 over 19 truly doesn't represent the community.

Yeah but how many of those are active players?

Hurr and what would be the reason why they don't play anymore ? — TheDookie 2013/04/27 12:11

to be fair, alot of them would become active if the map were to change. just pointing out the fact that, like v1ad, many others are probably just waiting for the new map to begin playing again ~Darynu

And all of them would stop playing again a few months later when the new map got just as boring to them as the current one is now. The map itself isn't the problem here. — PenOpener 2013/04/28 07:34

Maps come and go. — caBastard 2013/04/28 08:33

Right, map gets boring after few months. So who in his right mind would keep one map for so long? — Koinu 2013/04/28 10:38

“And all of them would stop playing again a few months later when the new map got just as boring to them as the current one is now. The map itself isn't the problem here.”
So instead of renewing activity for a few months, seeing the return of old and the influx of new players, and having fun, it would be better to just let the server die? You're opposing an admittedly temporary solution for none at all? — P.P.A. 2013/04/28 13:03

New maps have always contributed a lot in healing the player lack that's been happening due to bukkit taking forever to update and thus the server not updating for weeks either, making players leave massively. I'd prefer a new map either right now or with the next big upgrade. I really dont see any problem with a new map in multiverse when the old one is being kept. Anyone opposing this most likely sees that he will be left alone on the shitty old map, because most players value fun more than some virtual resources and shitty buildings. That's also pretty much the only reason to force everyone to stay on this shithole. Also I agree with PPA on the server dying if it stays this way. Fuck the few newfriends that cant read the proposal properly and keep stating that their gear would be lost when in reality the admin has some preservation fetish and wont ever remove this map. — areteee 2013/04/28 15:37

@PPA: For the few old players that would come back you will simultaneously lose quite a few current ones. Most of the people who want a new map are the politics autists and warring nations. They need a fresh start every so often. Many “builders” (obviously not including you) on the other hand want consistency. If that's not provided they'll leave for other servers. Scaring away these players would be the price for the renewed activity every few months. Worst case, the server will turn into a throw-away PVP map (I know I'm exaggerating here).
@areteee: For a quite large proportion of the player-base the “shitty buildings” are the fun-defining aspect of MC. And like the “new map movement” now cries about how awful te3 is for not complying with their demands, the builders will cry if he ever does change the map.
Regarding the number of players in general: Why should a new map attract any more new players than the current one? The (temporarily) increased activity would, yes. But not the map change. If you think the server is dying, making tons of threads on int now would help much more than this discussion. Make signs at spawn telling new players to preferably settle close-by (or near one of your nations). Hell, there's room enough on the server to start a “new map” section with artificial borders right now. All that's required is a little bit of organisation (which would be necessary on the new map, anyway). If you are prepared to leave all your creations behind for a new map you could do the same on this map. Stop all your building now, clear your inventories and (together) go to one of the large areas with un-generated chunks (and promote it to new players). te3 might even install a warp or move the spawn there.
— PenOpener 2013/04/28 16:16

For the few old players that would come back you will simultaneously lose quite a few current ones. Most of the people who want a new map are the politics autists and warring nations. They need a fresh start every so often. Many “builders” (obviously not including you) on the other hand want consistency. If that's not provided they'll leave for other servers. Scaring away these players would be the price for the renewed activity every few months.

For once, besides me, Koinu, Shakomatic, Sidmarcus, Dookie, RebelBaron, greenkitten, and venomthrope are all builders—active and ambitious builders, who have built a lot on this map, and are working on new projects already. Furthermore, this petition is for a new map in any form. Which means that the signatories would be perfectly fine letting the old map stay and just getting a new world via Multiverse, which would not scare away any players but only increase activity. In addition, there is no reason to be dismissive of the politics autists—if you haven't noticed, those are the players who are the most loyal to the server, form the most long-lived groups, and make it interesting. — P.P.A. 2013/04/28 19:59