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I'd like to point out that landrun isn't crime, only some sort of bitch move ( and it feels nice that caBst takes care in restricting that ).
—Rosenmann

Actually it is and we mods can take a stand against it. It has been historically that way, It is just not a bannable offense. — caBastard 2012/07/04 22:59

offense

It's good word, I like it. And thank you once against you take a stand. — Rosenmann

I come here today not as a Kurwan President, an AN Secretariat, or any other form of Statesman who feels like getting dragged into these pointless squabbles of politics;

But today I stand before you as a resident of this realm and long time veteran of time, I've lived under 3 Realmkeepers, I've lived on 5 different continents, and witnessed the rise and fall of several great empires and events that have shaped our very history.

Yet on this day, we may be watching one of the most important votes to happen in over 75 years (minecraft time)!

For this vote is effectively a question of rather or not to accept fascism as the rule of law of this server when dealing with Soverign Nations, to pass this would effectively set a legal sanction for the Mods use powers no mods before them ever dreamth of having just half a century ago, that is the right to interfere in nearly every single unilateral matter of life in the realm, no matter how small or insignificant, simply because they do not agree or share the same vision of the people pursuing their dreams; leaving it only as a tool of abuse and harassment without any checks or safe guards except for a vote where half the members have conflicts of interests at best; discounting the ulterior motives ever present at these votes due to the histories and secret alliances the voters hold.

Only things that should be held to a vote like this are matters actually adversely effecting the majority realm directly, which require direct intervention on the behalf of the mods due to correct, otherwise every nation's soverignity is at stake, every nation's rights are held to be moot if simply voted away by a vote in a area that effects nobody, it is plainly stated every nation shall have the right to claim land, no where does it imply there are any limits to that except where it overlaps over nation's territory or used maliciously to block their expansion except in cases where it is a natural expansion, and based on the currently claimed Khattarian territory, none of this is unreasonable, with all the territory being under the 20:1 ratio I use as personal Reference.

No where is it show the Khattaian territory were claimed in a malicious way, with all the territory bordering other nations being natural for Khatten to claim, as such I can see this vote serves no purpose other than expunging all nations of their soverignty and right to claim land.

— Jyīoɯ̅ecκacs 2012/07/04 23:53
My argument is mostly based that the annexation of Tora ocurred mostly due to political intimidation rather than self determination like the Kattenites/Mongols claim. With a record of humiliating defeats against the Mongols and currently holding little to no population, the Torans had no choice but to accept obviously, because otherwise we could deduce what would have happened which is an agression war of incorporating the Toran territories. Tora already went to a Land Rule ruling because of its enourmous size and even if was cut (by me) I still held my stance that it was too big for them; but, I trusted they would expand, demographically speaking.

Moreover, the status of Tora was to be decided in another poll. The fact that the Mongols rushed to Minoriko as soon as he logged in while the issue was still pending only shows how interested they have been in annexing the Toran territories, and we already know their ways into it.

Either way, YugoTexas, that's why I'm submitting this into a vote. I myself would not do this on my own. It's up to us, the administration whether or not this happens, controversial or not.

In addition, I believe you have been unawared of the troubles the administration has been put with upon the series of wars waged by the Katten Khanate. It has resulted in a long series of bans, claims and complaints from many players over their aggressive attitude. Now, I don't oppose their right to wage wars, but there is a point when it becomes unbearable… so unbearable that even the moderator that supervised their last battle had to quit over how unorganized and against the established laws it went. So as you can see it does concern everyone.

And even if this poll or the other don't pass, and Tora officially becomes part of the Khanate, I have the biggest intention of submitting the Katten Khanate into a Land Run Court to reduce their current territories. This is completely legal, acceptable and it has been done several times. Shakomatic and the Breshikan Kingdom went throught it, MystiaLoreli and the Pan-Asian Meritocracy went through it, you and the Kurwan United Council went throught it, and the Torans recently went through it.

In conclusion, my intention was not extending the powers of the administration but to make an assessment of the Katten Khanate, its status, and its actions. As a matter of fact, I have in mind a series of reforms that would empower the players through the nation; unfortunately, with the current amount of players and the anemic activities of the nations, there is not enough motivation to carry them out. I hope you understand. — caBastard 2012/07/05 00:52