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| There was a rule that mods who take part in the battles have their mod powers removed. Hinoarashi: report such cases every time and please don't be afraid saying who did that. I think if any mod do such thing he should be removed from staff. --- //[[muh.dick@ur.mom|Rosenmann]] 2014/01/29 11:55// | There was a rule that mods who take part in the battles have their mod powers removed. Hinoarashi: report such cases every time and please don't be afraid saying who did that. I think if any mod do such thing he should be removed from staff. --- //[[muh.dick@ur.mom|Rosenmann]] 2014/01/29 11:55// | ||
| >Is there a good way to contact you or another political officer? --- //[[hinorashi@gmail.com|hino]] 2014/01/31 02:08// | >Is there a good way to contact you or another political officer? --- //[[hinorashi@gmail.com|hino]] 2014/01/31 02:08// | ||
| + | >>I lurk wiki often, so you can leave any messages in my [[talk:people:rosenmann|discussion page]], sometimes I am available on IRC. I don't know when other political officers are on. --- //[[muh.dick@ur.mom|Rosenmann]] 2014/01/31 16:06// | ||
| + | >>>I'll give it a try, but it's pretty difficult when bans are tripled for reporting it. --- //[[hinorashi@gmail.com|hino]] 2014/01/31 23:14// | ||
| Enton was not here during the battle, which precludes him directly assisting any side. From my standpoint, the Enderian assault let up after a while without any kind of mod intervention, and there were comments in chat during the battle that suggested the factory had been bombed already. Assuming palin did it, he could not have gotten any mod help since none were on. Accusing Enton of participating in the battle is preposterous. What happened with the rollbacks is another matter entirely which should be seriously looked into, as it could be an instance of mod bias. Whether this is worth stripping a mod of his powers is up to the staff, I guess. --- //[[spuerdo@spaerdre.fi|tefal]] 2014/01/31 11:00// | Enton was not here during the battle, which precludes him directly assisting any side. From my standpoint, the Enderian assault let up after a while without any kind of mod intervention, and there were comments in chat during the battle that suggested the factory had been bombed already. Assuming palin did it, he could not have gotten any mod help since none were on. Accusing Enton of participating in the battle is preposterous. What happened with the rollbacks is another matter entirely which should be seriously looked into, as it could be an instance of mod bias. Whether this is worth stripping a mod of his powers is up to the staff, I guess. --- //[[spuerdo@spaerdre.fi|tefal]] 2014/01/31 11:00// | ||
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| + | >Except that I didn't roll back anything. PPA took care the battlefield the next day, while I fixed most of the sugar factory a couple of days later. Hino's posts here and in the chat easily pass as libel, while the more she says, the more ridiculous the accusations are. I don't even have to prove anything, as I did nothing wrong, but I cannot let this go on. | ||
| + | >I'm going to move her posts (and my replies) somewhere else, as they mostly don't contribute anything to this discussion about the rules of engagement itself. Actually, they aren't constructive at all and mostly meant to damage my reputation without any reason. --- //Enton 2014/01/31 14:46// | ||
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| + | >>Evidence isn't libel. I have the chat logs in question if you want to continue lying. You can feel free to hide evidence, but it will remain in the history. | ||
| + | >><file>Enton | ||
| + | hino: do you want to request a longer ban or why do you keep talking shit?</file> | ||
| + | >>By the way, why did you triple the length of a 10 day ban to 30 days for bringing light of this to the Politbüro? | ||
| + | >>I would also like to add **you were [[http://goput.it/qf0k.png|never named but admitted to it]]** and **you were the one who messaged me about it on #int**. Take the libel claim and blow it our your ass. t. Duke Nukem --- //[[hinorashi@gmail.com|hino]] 2014/01/31 23:10// | ||
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| + | >>>No, you weren't banned for 10, but for 30 days for the griefing, some speedhacking and also this page and the chat logs - which back me up, obviously. I'm really thinking about extending it further, since you are ignorant and not willing to face facts (hence the wiki ban). | ||
| + | >>>By the way, you're twisting facts again, as I already said that I knew about the TNT Palin placed in the furnace room. Considering that the TNT placement wasn't logged properly, it was just difficult since I also checked if it might have been dropped from a large height or something like this. My stupid TNT-related accusations can be attributed to my confusion, as I really expected this case to be obvious at first, with Palin having placed TNT. I didn't see the "unspecified action" (until you posted screenshots here) because there is basically no way to look it up and I didn't expect such a bug to happen. Then, I gave up and moved on to checking your damage, which got you banned in the end. | ||
| + | >>>Of course I have nothing to fear because I did nothing wrong and already gave a pretty clear description of what happened. You're just hoping that you can make someone believe your lies, so even though I can prove the opposite and the Politbüro supports it, some people will keep believing it simply because "they heard of it". I'm just making sure this strategy will get you nowhere, so it can still remain in the page history for documentation purposes just like other offtopic or provocation. | ||
| + | >>>Even your hint that I had admitted it is outrageous and just wrong. At first, I didn't feel that I had to comment on this, since all these accusations about "some mod abuse" obviously have nothing to do with any of my actions. On the other hand, it was still heavily implied by you, which is proven by the chat logs and indicated by Darynu's comment here. | ||
| + | >>>In this case, it's rather a proof of you making things up just to fit your point of view, as there are no **facts** that could be used against me. By the way, somebody please copy her what I wrote here, as wiki bans unfortunately also affect reading rights. I did this because somebody that ignorant really doesn't deserve even more opportunities to spread lies. --- //Enton 2014/02/01 01:33// | ||
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| + | I guess you'll still try to use this against me, even though I made the things pretty clear. | ||
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| + | >By the way, there MIGHT BE a reason to be butthurt, since it's probably be more fun to play Minecraft instead of discussing this. Either way, blame yourself, not the person who dealt with this. It would have been much easier for me not to give a fuck at all, which is definitely the worse option. --- //Enton 2014/01/31 14:51// | ||
| I am strongly against the use of weapons of mass destruction (magma/withers) on settlements and see it as a crime against autism upon which the rest of the server - apoliticals included - should have the right to team up against the perpetrators, but it is true that this kind of thing fuels passionate and spectacular wars, which can be fun. If the will of the server is to allow total, unrestricted, settlement-destroying warfare, there must be one or two rules. For one thing, it should be explicitly declared and mutually agreed upon. Otherwise, the nation with the most withers will eventually come to dominate everybody else, which is a clear impediment to high-level autism, and mods will spend most of their time rolling back the mess made by people derping around with withers. Or they won't, and countless works will be griefed beyond repair. --- //[[spuerdo@spaerdre.fi|tefal]] 2014/01/29 16:30// | I am strongly against the use of weapons of mass destruction (magma/withers) on settlements and see it as a crime against autism upon which the rest of the server - apoliticals included - should have the right to team up against the perpetrators, but it is true that this kind of thing fuels passionate and spectacular wars, which can be fun. If the will of the server is to allow total, unrestricted, settlement-destroying warfare, there must be one or two rules. For one thing, it should be explicitly declared and mutually agreed upon. Otherwise, the nation with the most withers will eventually come to dominate everybody else, which is a clear impediment to high-level autism, and mods will spend most of their time rolling back the mess made by people derping around with withers. Or they won't, and countless works will be griefed beyond repair. --- //[[spuerdo@spaerdre.fi|tefal]] 2014/01/29 16:30// | ||
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| + | First of all the bans Enton issued were legitimate since 3 fucking withers are by no means minor damaging of defensive structures. If you want to blame someone, blame the people responsible for these rules. Also if he didnt rollback anything I dont see the problem. I think its more likely palin used a fly hack to get to the farm if he had truly set his work and home at the mountain. The rollback itself is quite controversial, since shako got to keep the loot of 3 withers, got his enemies banned, recieved no punishment at all and even got rewarded for it. Also withers definitely are a sign of massive autism, it takes several hours to farm enough skulls for a single wither IF you have a looting 3 sword. It can easily take up to 10 hours to farm 3 skulls without a looting III sword. Whats somewhat problematic about this case is the declaration of war. I feel like it should have been issued in the wiki and more directly, all I saw was some indirect muttering. Regarding the proposal of negotioating wither usage, the side with disadvantage will always reject so I dont feel like this is a good solution. I personally like spontaneous destruction with withers but feel like there should be rollback options if the damage is higher than the rules permit, which was apparently the case. --- //[[:people:areteee|areteee]] 2014/01/31 19:16// | ||